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green_amber ([personal profile] green_amber) wrote2006-06-19 11:54 am
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More on the Great Dr Who debate..

.. from email conversation..

Reasons why people didn't like Love and Monsters

- it's not Who
- the Doctor (and Rose) wasn't the main character
- it "confounds expectations" (as if that was a bad thing!)
- it's like a soap opera, and that's NOT WHO

I think at root what we're seeing here is the naked faaaan mentality - we want it to look like the Who
we remember, monsters, aliens, no characterisation and no emotional development - that's for GIRLS. There's also a lot of gender and class issues floating around in there - Dr Who is above soap opera, and , god help us all, popular culture references - it's POSH and for BOYS. (oddly enough, exactly the kind of boys who will get the ELO references - which makes the hostility all the oddder.)

I do think anyone who could say it wasn't funny has had a complete sense of humour failure- but this seems to include people like Swisstone, so I'm utterly bemused..

It's CHANGE. Like I always say, nobody likes that :-)

[identity profile] purplerabbits.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
I just found it insulting and cringeworthy, and I don't think I'm a precious fan by any means. I don't think the stuff you've said about class and gender helps at all, it's just that I can't stand watching farce. And I certainly didn't see any emotional development - we've had some of that with the Doctor and even some of the soap opera characters that I dislike, but this ep seemed to be purely played for laughs without actually being funny.

[identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, if you can't stand farce, then yes, it ain't gonna be your cup of tea. I love well done farce - which this had elements of, but was by no means all it was.

[identity profile] sismith42.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 12:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Why was it insulting?

I certainly didn't see any emotional development

What about Elton learning that he actually fancied Ursela and growing up enough to say screw-you to the Absorbabtron? Doesn't that count as emotional development?

[identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
And see my reply below to [livejournal.com profile] lil_shepherd